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		<title>By: 5 Strategies Steve Jobs Could Teach Startups &#124; Under30CEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 Strategies Steve Jobs Could Teach Startups &#124; Under30CEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and etc. There have also been companies that weren’t able to capitalize, such as Ning.com, Phanfare, the now defunct LucidEra…which had “happy customers” but no more money, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and etc. There have also been companies that weren’t able to capitalize, such as Ning.com, Phanfare, the now defunct LucidEra…which had “happy customers” but no more money, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vox Pop Design &#8211; Wunderkammer, May 14th, 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vox Pop Design &#8211; Wunderkammer, May 14th, 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 22:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When Freemium Business Models Make Sense &#8211; First labeled by Fred Wilson, &#8220;Freemium&#8221; is a business model where companies provide a basic level of service for free while providing &#8216;premium&#8217; level attributes for a fee. Widely adopted by the current crop of social applications there are some large (and very) important things to consider before making freemium an aspect of your application. In short: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Skiing Goggles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skiing Goggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 14:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>current spec is for you</description>
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		<title>By: Watch Phones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watch Phones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very highy good information</description>
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		<title>By: Dual Sim Phones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dual Sim Phones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am a great fan of your site keepo on the good work</description>
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		<title>By: YourNetBiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>YourNetBiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this post... as I was reading it felt like read it more and more...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for sharing I digg you post.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank and Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this post&#8230; as I was reading it felt like read it more and more&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing I digg you post.</p>
<p>Thank and Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Phanfare Blog: Andrew Erlichson &#187; Phanfare Publishing Model</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phanfare Blog: Andrew Erlichson &#187; Phanfare Publishing Model</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Phanfare was freemium, having a way to connect with other free users in Phanfare made sense. But Freemium did not work for Phanfare and we have long since abandoned it as a business [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Phanfare was freemium, having a way to connect with other free users in Phanfare made sense. But Freemium did not work for Phanfare and we have long since abandoned it as a business [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mens swimwear</title>
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		<dc:creator>mens swimwear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well...I’ve seen many references to a password for the site and passwords for individual albums, but passwords seem like a bother to manage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well&#8230;I’ve seen many references to a password for the site and passwords for individual albums, but passwords seem like a bother to manage</p>
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		<title>By: edinburgh dentist</title>
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		<dc:creator>edinburgh dentist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we were just not clever enough. Maybe we should have given away photo asset management software and storage to millions of creative professionals with the goal of eventually making an enterprise sale ;-) One problem is that it is hard to get a creative professional to trust you with their assets unless you have a business plan that makes them the customer. I think that in this particular market, people want the standing of being a customer, not an eyeball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we were just not clever enough. Maybe we should have given away photo asset management software and storage to millions of creative professionals with the goal of eventually making an enterprise sale <img src='http://blog.phanfare.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  One problem is that it is hard to get a creative professional to trust you with their assets unless you have a business plan that makes them the customer. I think that in this particular market, people want the standing of being a customer, not an eyeball.</p>
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		<title>By: Fort Lauderdale Locksmith </title>
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		<dc:creator>Fort Lauderdale Locksmith </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe that if the site is going to bee free then it needs to be free. And if you are going to pay for a subsription you as the user should certainly get your money worth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe that if the site is going to bee free then it needs to be free. And if you are going to pay for a subsription you as the user should certainly get your money worth!</p>
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		<title>By: outsource iphone development</title>
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		<dc:creator>outsource iphone development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be try something new... what competitors are doing??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be try something new&#8230; what competitors are doing??</p>
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		<title>By: Miami Locksmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miami Locksmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes sense to pay for premium service like Phanfare to be able to produce more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense to pay for premium service like Phanfare to be able to produce more.</p>
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		<title>By: aljallbertt</title>
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		<dc:creator>aljallbertt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks you for information.&lt;a href=&quot;www.nfcu-com.com/nfcucom.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nfcu&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks you for information.<a href="www.nfcu-com.com/nfcucom.php" rel="nofollow">nfcu</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roman Shades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roman Shades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
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		<title>By: erlichson</title>
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		<dc:creator>erlichson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for now, it works pretty much as you want since you can continue to use the social networking tools and add friends, who will get space-limited freemium accounts. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem with 2.0 was that there was not much buy-in from your viewers. They hardly even realized they had accounts. They just clicked through the email notifications they got. They can still do that today; you just need to send the invitations to view out manually.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We added back in visitor tracking in the last release by click tracking people when they view albums via phanfare invitations. From 30,000 feet, it feels pretty much the same to viewers, except that the viewers don’t have phanfare accounts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Using phanfare subsites you can create access control groups (as you did in 2.0). it is true that everyone at the same access level shares a password, but if they are clicking through invites, I doubt they even know that password. And really, for personal content, a shared password is probably not a big deal. If it is big deal, you can create a subsite for the rogue with a separate password.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most people don’t want to bother to register to consume media. That includes your viewers. You might think you are doing them a favor by sharing it, but with personal media, I would argue they are doing you a favor by looking at it when the person is outside blood family ;-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, right now we are running a hybrid system for those who really like the social networking features. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My current view is that phanfare is not a social network. It is a bunch of independent photo and video website publishers with their respective audiences. We will continue to develop tools to help our publishers manage their audience, that might include automatic notifications out to the audience to tell them about new content, or a way for viewers to signup in a simple manner to get notified when a phanfare site changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for now, it works pretty much as you want since you can continue to use the social networking tools and add friends, who will get space-limited freemium accounts. </p>
<p>The problem with 2.0 was that there was not much buy-in from your viewers. They hardly even realized they had accounts. They just clicked through the email notifications they got. They can still do that today; you just need to send the invitations to view out manually.</p>
<p>We added back in visitor tracking in the last release by click tracking people when they view albums via phanfare invitations. From 30,000 feet, it feels pretty much the same to viewers, except that the viewers don’t have phanfare accounts.</p>
<p>Using phanfare subsites you can create access control groups (as you did in 2.0). it is true that everyone at the same access level shares a password, but if they are clicking through invites, I doubt they even know that password. And really, for personal content, a shared password is probably not a big deal. If it is big deal, you can create a subsite for the rogue with a separate password.</p>
<p>Most people don’t want to bother to register to consume media. That includes your viewers. You might think you are doing them a favor by sharing it, but with personal media, I would argue they are doing you a favor by looking at it when the person is outside blood family <img src='http://blog.phanfare.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, right now we are running a hybrid system for those who really like the social networking features. </p>
<p>My current view is that phanfare is not a social network. It is a bunch of independent photo and video website publishers with their respective audiences. We will continue to develop tools to help our publishers manage their audience, that might include automatic notifications out to the audience to tell them about new content, or a way for viewers to signup in a simple manner to get notified when a phanfare site changed.</p>
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		<title>By: LakeSecession</title>
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		<dc:creator>LakeSecession</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, your last point under “here is what happened” ends with “we registered the audience.” From my point of view, that is not a bad thing. I like the statistics I get from having registered viewers; I like having the ability to share with groups (and hide content from other groups). At the point where the ability to share with “everyone” was introduced, Phanfare 2.x achieved, for me at least, an excellent balance between “publishing” and “sharing” personal photographs. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From the beginning of Phanfare 2.0 I failed to “get” the whole “social networking” idea; therefore, I never used “groups” for anything more than a means of selectively sharing photos (control). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, with most of the “social” aspects of Phanfare being less obvious to find and more difficult to utilize, it seems that friends, family and groups will be soon be removed. I am struggling to figure out how to administer my site without those tools. Already, it is way too cumbersome for “new” family and friends to “connect” with me. I’ve seen many references to a password for the site and passwords for individual albums, but passwords seem like a bother to manage; besides how “private” is a shared password? By the time I tell two friends, that in-turn tell two friends, and so on the whole password thing seems very much pointless. And even with passwords, there is still no “visitor reporting” available. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I’m asking that you consider keeping “social Phanfare” without “freemium Phanfare.” I don’t want Phanfare giving its services freely to “strangers.” If you are going to give free service to anyone, give it as “value added” to paying users like me. The people that come to Phanfare to see my photos expect (and gladly accept) that in order to see some of my albums, they must sign up, sign in and be accepted by me. I think the popularity of Facebook bears out that people are willing to do just that – sign up, sign in and be accepted. However, unlike Facebook, Phanfare, the service provider, does not have to *give* the registered user anything, as a paying user *I* am giving them something they want – access to my photos, and in the process Phanfare gets exposure and potential new paying users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, your last point under “here is what happened” ends with “we registered the audience.” From my point of view, that is not a bad thing. I like the statistics I get from having registered viewers; I like having the ability to share with groups (and hide content from other groups). At the point where the ability to share with “everyone” was introduced, Phanfare 2.x achieved, for me at least, an excellent balance between “publishing” and “sharing” personal photographs. </p>
<p>From the beginning of Phanfare 2.0 I failed to “get” the whole “social networking” idea; therefore, I never used “groups” for anything more than a means of selectively sharing photos (control). </p>
<p>Now, with most of the “social” aspects of Phanfare being less obvious to find and more difficult to utilize, it seems that friends, family and groups will be soon be removed. I am struggling to figure out how to administer my site without those tools. Already, it is way too cumbersome for “new” family and friends to “connect” with me. I’ve seen many references to a password for the site and passwords for individual albums, but passwords seem like a bother to manage; besides how “private” is a shared password? By the time I tell two friends, that in-turn tell two friends, and so on the whole password thing seems very much pointless. And even with passwords, there is still no “visitor reporting” available. </p>
<p>I’m asking that you consider keeping “social Phanfare” without “freemium Phanfare.” I don’t want Phanfare giving its services freely to “strangers.” If you are going to give free service to anyone, give it as “value added” to paying users like me. The people that come to Phanfare to see my photos expect (and gladly accept) that in order to see some of my albums, they must sign up, sign in and be accepted by me. I think the popularity of Facebook bears out that people are willing to do just that – sign up, sign in and be accepted. However, unlike Facebook, Phanfare, the service provider, does not have to *give* the registered user anything, as a paying user *I* am giving them something they want – access to my photos, and in the process Phanfare gets exposure and potential new paying users.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.. Your post got me thinking...  What is more valuable for a software company (like facebook or flickr).  1,000 paying users or 100,000 non-paying users?  What are your thoughts?  View my blog post here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.purlem.com/blog/?p=57&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.purlem.com/blog/?p=57&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.. Your post got me thinking&#8230;  What is more valuable for a software company (like facebook or flickr).  1,000 paying users or 100,000 non-paying users?  What are your thoughts?  View my blog post here: <a href="http://www.purlem.com/blog/?p=57" rel="nofollow">http://www.purlem.com/blog/?p=57</a></p>
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		<title>By: watches</title>
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		<dc:creator>watches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.watches-space.com/Bvlgari-Watches.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bvlgari Watches&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.watches-space.com/Bvlgari-Watches.html" rel="nofollow">Bvlgari Watches</a></p>
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		<title>By: Software pricing: When does freemium really work? » Andreas Goeldi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Software pricing: When does freemium really work? » Andreas Goeldi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hides the permanently free versions of its products pretty well. Startups like photo sharing site Phanfare and the recently demised LucidEra (a vendor of SaaS business intelligence) tried freemium models, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Phanfare Blog: Andrew Erlichson &#187; Bill Gurley on Freemium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phanfare Blog: Andrew Erlichson &#187; Bill Gurley on Freemium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I think his argument follows naturally from Porter&#8217;s Competitive strategy and supports the notion that I hypothesized on in my freemium post, that Freemium does not make sense for the differentiated [...]</description>
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